Comments on: Are “Lists” The New Twitter Status Measurement? http://www.bkmacdaddy.com/blog/are-lists-the-new-twitter-status-measurement This is the "unofficial" blog of Brian K. McDaniel, the "BKM" in bkmacdaddy designs. Here you will find resources related to web & graphic design, social media and more! But mostly you will wander around inside the head of Brian. Buckle up and hold on... Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:51:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Today's Popular News In css Community: Mr Huddle http://www.bkmacdaddy.com/blog/are-lists-the-new-twitter-status-measurement/comment-page-1#comment-1906 Today's Popular News In css Community: Mr Huddle Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:20:21 +0000 http://bkmacdaddy.com/blog/?p=856#comment-1906 <strong>Best topics in css for 2009-11-14...</strong> Best topics in css for 2009-11-14... Best topics in css for 2009-11-14…

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]]> By: Linda Walton aka bobbysgirlforever http://www.bkmacdaddy.com/blog/are-lists-the-new-twitter-status-measurement/comment-page-1#comment-1896 Linda Walton aka bobbysgirlforever Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:35:21 +0000 http://bkmacdaddy.com/blog/?p=856#comment-1896 Brian, I continue to learn SO much from you in regard to web presence period and having been "out-of-the-loop" for a couple of months as of late, I am trying to jump back into my social media circles again and am simply in awe of the new changes to Tweet Deck, which I LOVE! :D How much better can it get than being able to manage Twitter, Facebook and my favorite groups via hashtags all in ONE location? WOOT! My links are shortened automatically, I can drag 'n drop a photo to Twit Pic, "like" a Facebook post or EVEN make a comment all within the same window - WOW! It's ALL good on my side of the screen! *wink* And now, lists ... I agree about the need to change the overall "mindset" in regard to "numbers", however, I tend to believe that the newest innovations, upgrades and improvements that allow us to possibly become more time-efficient and/or technologically savvy, will find their way into the lives of most who are looking to stay on the cutting-edge of technology as well as to be ranked amongst the social media elite! I glean SO much from your writing and it helps me to maintain a "peaceful" state of mind as to where I fit into the scheme of things, thus allowing me to stay true to my own self and not trying to become a clone of someone else for numbers sake. I LOVE to socialize, meet new people and to learn something, if not several new things, each and every day from those "I" choose to "follow"! Sorry for rambling on, but I always find you SO refreshing and while I have not yet made ANY lists, you shall surely be amongst the first of my Twitter friends to find a place on one if and when I begin the task! *wink* Wishing you a FANTABULOUS weekend, enough money for THAT new tatoo you desire and continued inspiration to keep on sharing your insights and knowledge with us here at BKMACDADDY! :D Brian, I continue to learn SO much from you in regard to web presence period and having been “out-of-the-loop” for a couple of months as of late, I am trying to jump back into my social media circles again and am simply in awe of the new changes to Tweet Deck, which I LOVE! :D How much better can it get than being able to manage Twitter, Facebook and my favorite groups via hashtags all in ONE location? WOOT! My links are shortened automatically, I can drag ‘n drop a photo to Twit Pic, “like” a Facebook post or EVEN make a comment all within the same window – WOW! It’s ALL good on my side of the screen! *wink*

And now, lists …

I agree about the need to change the overall “mindset” in regard to “numbers”, however, I tend to believe that the newest innovations, upgrades and improvements that allow us to possibly become more time-efficient and/or technologically savvy, will find their way into the lives of most who are looking to stay on the cutting-edge of technology as well as to be ranked amongst the social media elite!

I glean SO much from your writing and it helps me to maintain a “peaceful” state of mind as to where I fit into the scheme of things, thus allowing me to stay true to my own self and not trying to become a clone of someone else for numbers sake.

I LOVE to socialize, meet new people and to learn something, if not several new things, each and every day from those “I” choose to “follow”!

Sorry for rambling on, but I always find you SO refreshing and while I have not yet made ANY lists, you shall surely be amongst the first of my Twitter friends to find a place on one if and when I begin the task! *wink*

Wishing you a FANTABULOUS weekend, enough money for THAT new tatoo you desire and continued inspiration to keep on sharing your insights and knowledge with us here at BKMACDADDY! :D

]]> By: Catherine Azzarello http://www.bkmacdaddy.com/blog/are-lists-the-new-twitter-status-measurement/comment-page-1#comment-1834 Catherine Azzarello Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:16:56 +0000 http://bkmacdaddy.com/blog/?p=856#comment-1834 Right on! I started 'grouping' people I follow w/Tweetdeck but lost patience and removed most of my groups--too much to maintain. Now lists. At first I thought they were the same, too. But the public feature changes everything. I don't even use FB. My kids do, but I'm not comfortable with the "friend" thing and other status info. Don't want to post all the personal stuff online--and I don't want to feel obliged to follow others the same way. Still...I've been secretly pleased when my Twitter followers increase...but it's so MIDDLE SCHOOL! Sheesh, like anyone would want to relive the angst of THOSE years! Right on! I started ‘grouping’ people I follow w/Tweetdeck but lost patience and removed most of my groups–too much to maintain. Now lists. At first I thought they were the same, too. But the public feature changes everything.

I don’t even use FB. My kids do, but I’m not comfortable with the “friend” thing and other status info. Don’t want to post all the personal stuff online–and I don’t want to feel obliged to follow others the same way.

Still…I’ve been secretly pleased when my Twitter followers increase…but it’s so MIDDLE SCHOOL! Sheesh, like anyone would want to relive the angst of THOSE years!

]]> By: Twitter Lists: Why @guykawasaki and @mashable don't get it! | The Home Of Zargon http://www.bkmacdaddy.com/blog/are-lists-the-new-twitter-status-measurement/comment-page-1#comment-1833 Twitter Lists: Why @guykawasaki and @mashable don't get it! | The Home Of Zargon Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:19:11 +0000 http://bkmacdaddy.com/blog/?p=856#comment-1833 [...] better people doing that and people who write way better than I do. Take Brian McDaniel’s post regarding Twitter Lists for example: I encourage you (and myself) to ignore the numbers and just be [...] [...] better people doing that and people who write way better than I do. Take Brian McDaniel’s post regarding Twitter Lists for example: I encourage you (and myself) to ignore the numbers and just be [...]

]]> By: links for 2009-10-31 « random thoughts and casual ruminations http://www.bkmacdaddy.com/blog/are-lists-the-new-twitter-status-measurement/comment-page-1#comment-1809 links for 2009-10-31 « random thoughts and casual ruminations Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:12:25 +0000 http://bkmacdaddy.com/blog/?p=856#comment-1809 [...] Are "Lists" The New Twitter Status Measurement? | bkmacdaddy designs [...] [...] Are "Lists" The New Twitter Status Measurement? | bkmacdaddy designs [...]

]]> By: Shelly Kramer http://www.bkmacdaddy.com/blog/are-lists-the-new-twitter-status-measurement/comment-page-1#comment-1806 Shelly Kramer Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:30:29 +0000 http://bkmacdaddy.com/blog/?p=856#comment-1806 Yet another reason, evidenced above, why I heart @fjfonseca. What a class act. And there's a reason he's at the top of my list :) Yet another reason, evidenced above, why I heart @fjfonseca. What a class act. And there’s a reason he’s at the top of my list :)

]]> By: intel_chris http://www.bkmacdaddy.com/blog/are-lists-the-new-twitter-status-measurement/comment-page-1#comment-1801 intel_chris Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:57:47 +0000 http://bkmacdaddy.com/blog/?p=856#comment-1801 I think this point of adding people to a list to get there attention is a valid and interesting concern. Oh, and before I get to far into this, let me add my employer required obligatory disclaimer: I work for Intel as a network security researcher and so am interested in privacy and security issues, but I don't speak for Intel on these issues. Theses opinions are strictly my own. So, will spammers make bots that add a bunch of people to the list to get them to follow the bot? I think that is a very possible risk. I worry about this from the point of view that there are viruses coming that connecting to an infected twitter account can get you. So, invent such a virus, set up a bot and a list, get people to check out the list and thus the bot, get them infected. Scary and possible. Even without the virus aspect making a list and putting people on it is a way to get noticed. So, gaming is possible. There is another blog discussing the consent issue on lists at http://j.mp/2veTI4. It is worth reading that discussion also. I think this point of adding people to a list to get there attention is a valid and interesting concern.

Oh, and before I get to far into this, let me add my employer required obligatory disclaimer: I work for Intel as a network security researcher and so am interested in privacy and security issues, but I don’t speak for Intel on these issues. Theses opinions are strictly my own.

So, will spammers make bots that add a bunch of people to the list to get them to follow the bot? I think that is a very possible risk. I worry about this from the point of view that there are viruses coming that connecting to an infected twitter account can get you. So, invent such a virus, set up a bot and a list, get people to check out the list and thus the bot, get them infected. Scary and possible.

Even without the virus aspect making a list and putting people on it is a way to get noticed. So, gaming is possible. There is another blog discussing the consent issue on lists at http://j.mp/2veTI4. It is worth reading that discussion also.

]]> By: Fernando Fonseca http://www.bkmacdaddy.com/blog/are-lists-the-new-twitter-status-measurement/comment-page-1#comment-1800 Fernando Fonseca Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:07:57 +0000 http://bkmacdaddy.com/blog/?p=856#comment-1800 Great post but, I would not expect nothing else from you, so you are not getting any kudos. Regarding the subject at hand: I really don't care on how many lists I show up. After reading your post I went to check to what lists I belonged to and one was enough for me: Being on Shelly Kramer's "My-Role-Models" list is, to me, worth more that a gazillion followers and belonging to gazillion lists. Quality not Quantity. I do appreciate those that include me on their lists but to me it is not a competition or a number thing. It is a recognition, a token of appreciation and it should be used with care. Just my 2 cents. Great post but, I would not expect nothing else from you, so you are not getting any kudos.

Regarding the subject at hand:
I really don’t care on how many lists I show up. After reading your post I went to check to what lists I belonged to and one was enough for me:
Being on Shelly Kramer’s “My-Role-Models” list is, to me, worth more that a gazillion followers and belonging to gazillion lists.
Quality not Quantity.

I do appreciate those that include me on their lists but to me it is not a competition or a number thing. It is a recognition, a token of appreciation and it should be used with care.

Just my 2 cents.

]]> By: bkmacdaddy http://www.bkmacdaddy.com/blog/are-lists-the-new-twitter-status-measurement/comment-page-1#comment-1797 bkmacdaddy Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:16:23 +0000 http://bkmacdaddy.com/blog/?p=856#comment-1797 <strong>UPDATE:</strong> After this post received so much attention yesterday, I decided I wanted to look more at the lists feature and see how people were using it. Then I got a DM from a highly-respected (and highly-followed) Twitter user who let me know he had added me to one of his lists. I was floored and flattered! Then I went to his profile to see which list I was on. It was at this moment that I realized it was a PERFECT example of what this post is really about. I'm not against the list functionality at all. I think they're actually pretty cool and will be helpful for people in many ways. I found myself going through the various lists I've been added to and laughing at the fun names for their lists that people have come up with. What I am struggling with is the potential for "gaming" and abuse of the lists as a "social status" on Twitter, just as the follower count has been. And the simple fact that there is now another number that I can very easily get caught up in looking at and using as another measuring stick for my Twitter "success". Yes, I know most of us proclaim that we don't care about the numbers and they truly don't matter. I agree. But I'm just being honest here. I can easily get sucked in to the whole numbers=success mindset. So I'm not happy about yet another way to potentially get sucked in. That's it. I just thought I needed to clarify a little. Please continue sharing your thoughts in this interesting discussion. Thanks for contributing! :) UPDATE:
After this post received so much attention yesterday, I decided I wanted to look more at the lists feature and see how people were using it. Then I got a DM from a highly-respected (and highly-followed) Twitter user who let me know he had added me to one of his lists. I was floored and flattered! Then I went to his profile to see which list I was on. It was at this moment that I realized it was a PERFECT example of what this post is really about.

I’m not against the list functionality at all. I think they’re actually pretty cool and will be helpful for people in many ways. I found myself going through the various lists I’ve been added to and laughing at the fun names for their lists that people have come up with.

What I am struggling with is the potential for “gaming” and abuse of the lists as a “social status” on Twitter, just as the follower count has been. And the simple fact that there is now another number that I can very easily get caught up in looking at and using as another measuring stick for my Twitter “success”. Yes, I know most of us proclaim that we don’t care about the numbers and they truly don’t matter. I agree. But I’m just being honest here. I can easily get sucked in to the whole numbers=success mindset. So I’m not happy about yet another way to potentially get sucked in.
That’s it. I just thought I needed to clarify a little. Please continue sharing your thoughts in this interesting discussion. Thanks for contributing! :)

]]> By: bkmacdaddy http://www.bkmacdaddy.com/blog/are-lists-the-new-twitter-status-measurement/comment-page-1#comment-1795 bkmacdaddy Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:05:18 +0000 http://bkmacdaddy.com/blog/?p=856#comment-1795 I think you're right on, Eric. I have a bit of an ongoing rant against anyone classifying human beings as "targets" or even "demographics". I understand the reasoning for it - it creates shortcuts to reaching the largest amount of people based on a set descriptive. But I tend to think it also treads dangerously close to stereotyping, and in any context I am completely against generalizing a group of people - we are all unique individuals, and I hate to see that trivialized by lumping us into categories based on the amount of money we make or the number of followers we have or whatever the routine. It happens, as you've nicely pointed out. Doesn't mean I have to like it. ;) I think you’re right on, Eric. I have a bit of an ongoing rant against anyone classifying human beings as “targets” or even “demographics”. I understand the reasoning for it – it creates shortcuts to reaching the largest amount of people based on a set descriptive. But I tend to think it also treads dangerously close to stereotyping, and in any context I am completely against generalizing a group of people – we are all unique individuals, and I hate to see that trivialized by lumping us into categories based on the amount of money we make or the number of followers we have or whatever the routine. It happens, as you’ve nicely pointed out. Doesn’t mean I have to like it. ;)

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